Relativity Mania

To make you realize how physicists misinterpret experimental data to support their superstitious belief of time dilation, first I let you solve one puzzle and then present you how physicists would solve the same.

Imagine that a team of scientists have discovered a special animal species on Earth. After carefully studying the species, they found that the members of the species as soon as they are born go on flying at a constant speed of 1000km/day until they die exactly after 10days. The scientists, many of whom were Nobel laureates, having noted their speed and their lifespan, rightly concluded that the species would travel a total distance of 10,000km in their life time.

Then came the biggest challenge for the scientists- they have discovered an identical species coming from Heaven to Earth. They have all the experimental evidence to believe that these species soon after taking birth in Heaven head straight to Earth and die as soon as they reach our ‘deadly’ Planet. Also our scientists very well know that the distance between the heaven and the earth is 100,000km.

Here is the puzzle for you to solve. We were told by our great scientists that the members of the above species can only travel a total distance of 10,000km in their life time considering their travel speed of 1000km/day and life span of 10days. But how come the members from heaven were able to travel 100,000km and reach our deadly planet? This is 10 times more than the distance that is normally possible for the species to travel in their lifetime. How can we explain this odd observation?

To make things easier I will give you 3 options to select from-

1. Heavenly species travel faster than the earthly species
2. Heavenly species live longer than the earthly species
3. Both heavenly species and earthly species travel at the same speed and live for the same number of days, but the heavenly species experience time dilation i.e. time runs slower for them because they are moving at very high velocity i.e 1000km/day

I am sure people with commonsense go with the first two options – our scientists have only noted the speed and life span of the earthly species. Obviously the same parameters can’t be blindly extrapolated to the heavenly species. Even though both ‘earthly’ and ‘heavenly’ members belong to the same species and look identical, the speed and life span of the ‘earthly’ species can’t be said to be true for the ‘heavenly’ species, especially having seen them travel a much longer distance than their ‘earthly’ cousins. This implies that either the ‘heavenly’ species travel faster and/ or live longer than their ‘earthly’ cousins. I don’t see any great difficulty or logical obstruction to make such conclusion.

But let me present you how relativists would solve the puzzle- they swear that both ‘earthly’ and ‘heavenly’ species travel with the same speed and live for the same number of days because they both are identical and belong to the same species. So they don’t agree with options 1 and 2 and rather go to option 3 and insist that the ‘heavenly’ species experience time dilation because of their high velocity and hence are able to travel the much longer distance noted.

Now Let me explain their delusion of time dilation: Relativists believe that time ‘dilates’ or runs slower for fast moving objects. So what is one day for somebody moving slower may just be 1hr for someone travelling at a very high speed on a spaceship. So they argue that because the heavenly members travel at a very high velocity (don’t ask with reference to whom), they experience time dilation i.e. time runs slower or clocks tick slower for them. So even though they live for only 10days, each day is ‘stretched’ for them and hence they are able to travel a longer distance each day. “That’s how the heavenly species are able to cover the much longer distance of 100,000km between the heaven and earth” relativists declare.

Anybody with least commonsense will surely ask them “if both heavenly species and earthly species travel at the same velocity, why not the earthly species experience the same weird phenomenon of time dilation and travel the same long distance as their heavenly cousins?”.

Well, don’t think that the relativists will have no answer for this question- we just have to be prepared for more stupid explanations. The more you question them the more stupid they speak. The more stupid they speak, the more difficult it becomes to keep arguing with them. So we will surely give up arguing with them at some point – the stupid flock ‘wins’ at the end.

Believe me, I haven’t at all exaggerated about their weird thinking- that’s exactly how they prove time dilation with their cosmic muon decay observations. https://debunkingrelativity.com/muons-time-dilation/

But how come scientists go so stupid while interpreting such simple and straight forward observations and draw weird conclusions out of them? Well, that is because they are affected by a disorder called ‘Relativity mania’ and those affected by this mania hold delusional beliefs like- speed of light is constant, time dilates for fast moving things, space gets warped near heavier objects and so on. Because of their delusional preoccupation, they ‘interpret’ every experiment as strong proof of their delusional beliefs.

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• diehard  On May 1, 2014 at 1:30 pm

Umm, excuse me sir. According to relativety, either BOTH the heavenly creatures and the earthly ones will experience time dilation, or NONE will.

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• drgsrinivas  On May 2, 2014 at 3:57 pm

You are absolutely right sir. If both the species travel at the same velocity, either both or none should experience time dilation if the stupid theory were to be correct. That’s what I have been arguing here

“—-if both heavenly species and earthly species travel at the same velocity, why not the earthly species experience the same weird phenomenon of time dilation and travel the same long distance as their heavenly cousins?”

If earthly species experience time dilation just like their heavenly cousins, they should also be able travel a distance of 100,000km in their life time as their cousins. But this is not what the great physicists observed – according to the them, the earthly species travelled only 10,000km in their life time!

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• Frank Brandse  On May 5, 2014 at 2:12 pm

In fact the scientists also go for your option 2. Heavenly species are not the same as the earthly species, heavenly species do have a longer lifetime. That is the mistake that you are making.
Obviously the story you make about “heavenly” and “earthly” species is about cosmic rays. Your heavenly species are in fact protons, which are extremely stable particles. In fact a decay of a proton has never been observed, so it is no problem for a proton to travel extreme distances. Now, when a proton enters the earths upper atmosphere it collides with molecules, and there the muons are produced (your earthly species). And they do have a very short lifetime, so that’s why muons cannot travel very long distances.

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• drgsrinivas  On May 5, 2014 at 3:24 pm

That makes me think that you are a relativist? I can’t imagine anybody else to misunderstand, misinterpret and mess up things to such an extent. Earthly species in my story represent ‘laboratory’ muons and heavenly species represent ‘cosmic ray’ muons. Have another go now and see if you manage to get it right.

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• Tony  On July 9, 2014 at 2:10 pm

Geeesh Frank. I’m a novice trying to understand relativity… and even I got that he was referring to a muon. And I got that before I was done reading. You took that bait!!!

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• Mike Massen  On July 19, 2014 at 1:56 pm

Comments on this would be more useful than having to respond to an arbitrary thought experiment which has unfortunate religious overtones !
Put some mathematics analysis into this please, its fairly simple, even though I havent got my PhD yet, heck I only have degrees !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele-Keating_experiment

ie. There are Many experiments testing special & general relativity.
The most active and immediate of these happens each second, its called GPS !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System
and it proves the maths – this goes some way to confirming the theory, what could the possible exception be – suggest a theory as a good scientist please ?

& many others of course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_special_relativity

Good scientists look at the experimental data, experimental method & actual evidence & don’t rely upon arbitrary thought experiments which obviously don’t encourage good dialetic – especially with religious language, yuck.

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• drgsrinivas  On July 19, 2014 at 5:09 pm

When your religious gurus propose thought experiments, you chant them and sing them all over. But when others propose thought experiments, you cry that thought experiments are ‘arbitrary’ and you refuse to comment. Sorry, this is a cheap trick to save your stupid religion!

Oh, do you mean that without maths, one can’t understand your divine religion? It is like saying, “unless one speaks and understands the ancient Greek, one can’t realise God”. But, I must admit, it is a much better trick than the above one to hide the stupidity of your religion!!!

By the way I have talked about all those experiments that you have mentioned and exposed your pastors’ lack of commonsense. But I suggest you not to go through those pages- doing so may destroy your religious demon theory (Of course only if you have the least common sense!). Rather, you keep arguing that your religious theory has been proved beyond doubt by many experiments and keep listing them!

Oh I have almost forgotten to ask you, who are those ‘God’ scientists you religiously swear by? I haven’t come across even one good scientist amongst your religious crowd who doesn’t misinterpret experiments. I am aware that your crowd does undertake lots of experiments; but only to misinterpret them and ‘prove’ your religious superstitions. Ultimately you are only spoiling the budding scientific minds by portraying your superstitious beliefs as modern science.

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• drgsrinivas  On July 19, 2014 at 6:07 pm

https://debunkingrelativity.com/2013/03/24/relativity-mania/#comment-1755

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• Mike Massen  On July 19, 2014 at 10:42 pm

Rather than vague language and assertions which pre-occupy with a god/religion, can you instead please offer an analysis of a potentially different interpretation or mathematical speculation of the results of this experiment:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele-Keating_experiment

and the rather incontrovertible fact GPS does actually function WITH the corrections applied for general & special relativity:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Dialectic based on the maths both non-relativistic & relativistic which addresses the differential would be ideal & efficient and please would avoid issues of a religion (untestable) and reference to any sort of deity…

Perhaps start with laws of motion, looking forward to your speculation as to why the experimental measured results track closely the theory without invoking it ?

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• drgsrinivas  On July 22, 2014 at 12:37 am

One can’t close one’s eyes and also ‘look forward’ (or backward). To prove that your eyes (as well as your mind) are open, first you will have to demonstrate that you have gone through and understood the above simple story exposing the stupidity of your religious group. Without blaming that thought experiments are ‘arbitrary’, you may specifically state why I shouldn’t call your crowd’s mental state a mania. That also proves your capability to grasp and analyse simple things (if not complicated ones).

Religiously chanting and enumerating links from your ‘sacred’ literature neither proves your logical capability nor the sanctity of your religious theory. By the way, why do you feel uncomfortable when I associate your weird theory to a religion and use religious dialectic while describing your weird theory? Actually it must be people from other religions who must feel ashamed to find your stupid theory categorised alongside theirs. It would surely be highly insulting for all the religions of the world to describe your stupid theory as a religion (even in a cynical sense), but don’t worry about that! Your crowd may celebrate for achieving the status of a religion.

Before you swear upon the value of mathematics in describing this universe, try to describe yourself in terms of maths and prove yourself as a human being. Or else come out of your obsession with maths. Mathematics is simply a symbolic representation of information. In other words it is just another language.

As already mentioned before, all those issues that you have been chanting, including the laws of motion, have already been dealt with in simple language. Just open your eyes and they are there. And I am here to answer to your specific questions.

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• Galacar  On October 26, 2015 at 12:09 am

How funny they are sometimes, the relativitists lol

especially the middlepart! funnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

“Briefly, I am a computer programmer and I have a working knowledge of mathematics. Therefore, I’m not going to get deep into equations but stick with mathematical relationships between different things.
Because I think outside the box, I can take one concept that I don’t understand, and put it together with other concepts that I don’t understand, and come up with logical conclusions that I also don’t understand that turn out to be accurate.
I encourage you to abandon the idea that you have to grasp all the basics in order to start to see the big picture and make predictions.
I would caution you that, since I don’t understand a lot of this either, to keep in mind that what I state here has a high margin of error, so don’t quote me as an authority, because I’m not. I have the ability to sound like I know more than I really do.”

To be find here:

Einstein’s Theory of Relativity Made Relatively Simple

http://www.perkel.com/nerd/relativity.htm

well, at least he is honest about not understanding the whole thing!

But I found it rather hilarious and wanted to share this here.

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• Eric Newberry  On November 18, 2015 at 5:26 pm

I would like to respond to these experiments, if I may. Look deep into what is in the descriptions. “Shielded from temperature, magnetic fields, etc”. They know that these things will affect the clock. Are there more things that would affect it. Yes. Gravity, energy transfer, mediums, etc. i.e. Change of environments. What’s funny to me is that in a lab this Adam is measured with time. They put it in a box and call it the definition of time. So why the difference. Well they can’t shied against gravity. Can’t shield against energy transfer.
So what is really happening? (I will use simple examples to make this easily understood)! Gravity changes are actually changes in a force that pulls on all matter. When the clocks get far away from the source of gravity, it changes the force on the atom.
Next we have change of energy. When a mass is accelerated, we apply a force to it. That force is transferred into every atom in this clock. Therefore,when the clock is accelerated, the kinetic energy of this atom is changed.
Funny how scientists talk about the redshift of galaxies but they will not discuss the redshift of an atomic clock. Why? This is another reason why we see a change.
My conclusion is that they take one of the smallest items made by God, put it in a box, drag it all over the universe and expect it determine the time for the rest of the universe. The flaw is that man CANNOT make a perfect clock. It just amazes me that people with phd believe this. Ever though some doctors are studying things that don’t exist, i.e. Bigfoot, dark matter, dark energy etc

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• Galacar  On November 18, 2015 at 10:05 pm

To Eric,

Well, I honestly believe that Bigfoot exist.
No kidding!
A lot of things exist that scientists reject.
But the other things eh!? Dark matter etc.I agree.
Do you know most scientists don’t even know the real function of dna?
dna is an antenna fo sending and receiving em-waves.
Now, start informing your local scientists! lol
I live near a university (where I once studied, alas), and love to talk to them.
Especially conspiracy related things. ALL of them reject that sort of thing
WITHOUT ANY INVESTIGATION!
Who is the strange one here?!

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• Galacar  On January 23, 2016 at 3:03 pm

And get this:

Mileva Einstein-Marity Einstein’s Partner in Crime

http://www.amazon.com/Mileva-Einstein-Marity-Einsteins-Partner-Crime/dp/1523398361

There is abundant evidence that Mileva Maric, Albert Einstein’s first wife, collaborated with Albert on the production and publication of their most famous papers of 1905, and may even have been the sole author of those works. The book also details the many controversies which emerged when Albert Einstein won the Nobel Prize and surrendered the proceeds to Mileva Einstein-Marity.

Partner In crime mind you!!! Of course it was a crime! The crime to conveal the truth!

What I really don’t get is when people are confronted with this, they still
choose to belief the relativity rubbish!

Ah well, it is a religion indeed.

Namaste!

Galacar

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• Galacar  On January 23, 2016 at 3:19 pm

And then there is this:

(Note here that here is the use of the (a)ether !!)

E=MC2 was already known in 1875!!

In a book published in London in 1875, British scientist Samuel Tolver Preston, stated the relationship of matter moving at the speed of light. Preston believed in the existence of the ether which the theory of relativity denies:

To give an idea, first, of the enormous intensity of the store of energy attainable by means of that extensive state of subdivision of matter which renders a high normal speed practicable, it may be computed that a quantity of matter representing a total mass of only one grain, and possessing the normal velocity of the ether particles (that of a wave of light), encloses a store of energy represented by upwards of one thousand millions of foot tons, or the mass of one single grain contains an energy not less than that possessed by a mass of forty thousand tons, moving at the speed of a cannon ball (1200 feet per second); or otherwise, a quantity of matter representing a mass of one grain endued with the velocity of the ether particles, encloses an amount of energy which, if entirely utilized, would be competent to project a weight of one hundred thousand tons to a height of nearly two miles (1.9 miles).
This remarkable result may serve to illustrate well the intense mechanical effect derivable from small quantities of matter possessing a high normal velocity, the extremely high value of the effect depending on the fact that energy rises in the rapid ratio of the square of the speed. (Samuel Tolver Preston, Physics of the Ether, p. 115).

As I always say , there is nothing new in the ‘new physics” at all!

EVERYTHING is stolen from the time the aether was in vogue!

So, this is no exception.it is THE RULE!

q.e.d.

Jist my two cents

Galacar

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• Galacar  On February 24, 2016 at 12:04 am

People ARE waking up to the relativity non-sense!! I love that!

Listen to this, published 22 february 2016!

“Christopher Jon Bjerknes – Albert Einstein: The Myth, the Plagiarist & the Zionist – Hour 1

Christopher Jon Bjerknes is a writer and researcher who has published numerous books and articles on the history of the theory of relativity, Einstein, Zionism and the Armenian Genocide. “Albert Einstein: The Incorrigible Plagiarist” and “Mileva Einstein-Marity: Einstein’s Partner in Crime” are among Bjerknes’ most controversial works.

In the first half, Christopher describes the evidence pointing to Albert Einstein’s plagiarism of Hendrik Lorentz and countless other physicists in his development of the theory of relativity. He talks about Einstein the Zionist and the “Einstein Terror” – a Semitic method of suppression that was used to literally terrorize and imprison anyone who dared question the dogma of Einstein. We get into Einstein’s soured reputation in Germany and the big hype surrounding his arrival in New York City, where he relocated in order to specifically promote Zionism. Christopher illustrates how Einstein manipulated credit for the E=mc² formula and failed to understand the basic concept of space time. We touch on the gravitational wave theory being hyped in the scientific press today and the costly reinforcement of flawed experimentation that is deliberately leading Western science away from technologies being advanced in Israel. Then, Christopher gets into the role that Mileva Einstein-Marity played in turning Einstein’s theoretical ideas into formal mathematical theories. We also put focus on the development of the pop culture icon of Einstein and the impact this cultish persuasion has had on the foundations of Western civilization.

In the members’ half, Christopher details Einstein’s instrumental role in the Zionist agenda and the fact that he was treasonous to his own people and despised Europeans. We look at the Freemason Coudenhove-Kalergi’s founding ideology of the European Union and the banking moguls who funded an explicit plan to weaken the European people, lift up the so-called masterful and morally superior Jewish people, and fulfill the ancient messianic prophecy of world rule as declared in the Talmud and Kabballah. Christopher points to other pseudo-Christian kabbalists like Isaac Newton who were instrumental in promoting the Christian Zionist movement. He explains the implications of the concept of “as above, so below” in relation to the psychological, technical and religious warfare that has been unleashed by Jews to propagate political movements designed to quickly bring forth prophetic conditions. Further, Bjerknes emphasizes how the current rise of Islam in Europe is part of an ancient plan to annihilate Christians via the Muslim hand. We consider how Whites have been programmed with the belief of their original sin, and how Islamic teachings justify and encourage the mass raping and slaughter of “white devils.” Later, we look at the infiltration of Zionist interests within the US White House, and the modern liberal tactic of subverting the Western world from within. At the end, Christopher talks about the Anno Lucis dating system and highlights what the New Testament says about the 2500-year-old conspiracy to genocide all gentiles.

be care full about one thing though! Zionism is NOT anti-semitism!
Zionism refers to TPTSB,

Anyway, Hope this relativity nonsense really stops one day,

and we can start living. 😉

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• Galacar  On September 17, 2016 at 9:41 pm

of september 2016.

It seems the whole Relativity/Einstein nonsense is still in full swing!:

“OCT
29

Instant Expert – Relativity and Beyond

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New Scientist presents… Instant Expert – Relativity and Beyond
Have you stared at the night sky and wondered how it all began? Did Interstellar leave you wanting to understand black holes better? Is your mind blown by the recent news about gravitational waves?
Then join us on a 13.8-billion-year journey through the cosmos with six leading experts. On the way, you’ll learn how Einstein’s work sparked a revolution in our understanding of the cosmos; what the news about gravitational waves really means; the nature of the universe’s missing 95%; the extraordinary lengths physicists go to unlock gravity’s secrets and how black holes could hold the key to a theory of everything.
This one-day masterclass offers the chance to learn directly from the experts in the fascinating fields of cosmology and relativity.

Speakers:
– David Kaiser – physicist and historian of science at MIT, author of How the Hippies Saved Physics
– Robert Caldwell – cosmologist at Dartmouth College, focusing on the history and future of the universe
– Lisa Barsotti – physicist at MIT and member of the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO) team
– Plus – 3 more leading experts to be announced”

Well, Me thinks I just proved ‘scientists’ can’t think!

But eh?! it is a Masterclass!!!! lol

Halleluja!!!

Galacar

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• Galacar  On April 24, 2017 at 5:39 pm

Soon here on tv by “national geogrtaphic”:

A series about the ‘genius’ of einstein. lol, what a joke!

GENIUS:

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/genius/

Well, to me this is a sign that TPTSB are getting desperate, so they have

now to re-mind-control the masses!

Good luck to them!

Namaste

Galacar

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• cadxx  On June 15, 2017 at 7:55 pm

I was doing research on Nobel prizes some time ago when to my surprise I found there was very little info on Einstein’s. I became determined to find some stuff on Albert and spent a few hours at the monitor – there was almost nothing to be found. It was only a couple of days ago that I found this guy who, like me also had found it difficult to research the old fiddler. I hope your readers find it as interesting as I did.