Can Maths go against Logic

Mathematics is ultimately based upon bits of simple assumptions drawn from our everyday experiences and common sense.

For example we believe that

1<2<3<4…….

1+1=2,  2+1=3

1+0=1, 1×1=1

x+x=2x etc

The above assumptions are purely based upon our common sense and logic from our everyday experiences and do not have any ‘deeper’ supporting maths to prove them.

So, mathematics is ultimately based upon our assumptions which we believe as true in our everyday life. Then how could any mathematical model make predictions that go against our common sense and logic? How can any theory challenge its own basic pillars of foundation and still be valid?

Mathematics is just a language

Mathematics is simply a language which uses numbers and symbols to express. Despite correct grammar, a weird statement doesn’t become right just because that is expressed in Greek language or a correct logic doesn’t become weird just because one couldn’t express the same in Greek.

Similarly, just because something is expressed in terms of weird numbers and symbols, a weird expression doesn’t automatically become a fact or law. 2×5=6 is obviously a wrong statement. So a mathematical expression can’t be right if it violates logic.

And, just because a logical argument or fact is not expressed in maths, it doesn’t automatically become wrong. Facts like we the humans exist on this Earth or the Earth rotates around the Sun remain facts though we can’t express the same in the language of mathematics.

A mathematical statement to be considered as correct, it must be built upon correct logic. And that is true with any statement in any language. The language doesn’t per se decides the truthfulness of a statement. It is the underlying logic which decides whether some statement is a fact or not.

So a mathematical statement can’t be considered beyond logic and one can’t swear by maths and overthrow logic.

Just like how wrong assumptions lead to wrong statements in any language, wrong assumptions (constant speed of light, constant speed of snail etc) will lead to wrong maths. And if one believes and goes by that wrong statement, one will be forced to make further wrong predictions.

snailtime

Most importantly, something that can be explained in mathematical terms can also be expressed in terms of logical statements in any language. And there isn’t any puzzle that will only ‘yield’ to mathematics but not to logic. Of course, some factual statements may be better and more conveniently expressed in mathematical terms while some may be better expressed in conventional sentences.

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  • Marius de Jess  On December 2, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    That is terrific, it’s what I have been suspecting all along, only I am not a mathematician: but I do have common sense and also I think according to everyday logic.

    Have you talked with physical cosmologists in particular who are also into quantum mechanics, or what I might call extra extra profound physics?

    Guys like Hawking, Stenger, and Krauss?

    Please host a forum.

    In other words, ‘weird’ mathematicians have fabricated a kind of world in their mind, and they infer from that world to the reality of everyday life and draw the conclusion that the everyday life must conform to their weird world in their mind, even though the everyday real world life does not conform to their weird mathematically inferred (in their mind) world, but they explain: it is because we do not see into the sub-atomic particle world which is the real world, while the real world accessed by us everyday is not the real world, or except only in the macro appearance — which macro appearance is not the fact — the fact is in the weird world in their mind, contrived by their weird mathematics.

    But, and you must try to answer them also, they state that they have experimental evidence for the in fact world which is the sub-atomic particle world we do not see in our macro world.

    Marius de Jess
    mdejess@gmail.com

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  • Aaron Do  On March 5, 2014 at 11:49 am

    Hi, thanks for the great article. I loved the snail analogy. I’m not mathematically proficient enough to verify it, but logically your arguments make sense.

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    • drgsrinivas  On March 5, 2014 at 10:57 pm

      Don’t bother too much about the ‘complex’ mathematics built upon some stupid notions. It is ultimately logic which should decide the validity of complex maths.

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  • Lord Steven Christ  On October 27, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    wth??? you said, “Facts like we the humans exist on this Earth or the Earth rotates around the Sun remain facts though we can’t express the same in the language of mathematics.”

    If I were you, I’d go all the way. Understand the earth is stationary and CONCAVE with a glass sky. Understand where the megacryometeors are coming from, this is the most important thing to disseminate. Why bother going into detail about the error in the MME if you cannot conclude there is no rotation to earth, ya goof.

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  • Galacar  On October 28, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    to Argon Do

    About math, I agree completely with drgsrinivas.

    This is a quote of the great genius Tesla.

    (btw he mocked Einstein’s theories! And rightly so!)

    “Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. (Nikola Tesla)”

    Need I say more? 😉

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  • Galacar  On November 16, 2014 at 3:51 am

    How I love books!

    Mathematics: The Loss of Certainty:

    Modern ‘mathematics’ is riddled with contradictions. Professor Morris Kline’s book entitled: Mathematics the loss of certainty clearly outlines that the idea of ‘mathematics’ as a science, makes a mockery of common sense. To quote Morris: ” It is now apparent that the concept of a universally accepted, infallible body of reasoning – the majestic mathematics of 1800 and the pride of man – is a grand illusion.”

    http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Loss-Certainty-Morris-Kline/dp/1435136063/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1416089897&sr=8-2&keywords=Mathematics+the+loss+of+certainty

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  • Garret  On January 13, 2015 at 10:32 am

    You said “Facts like we the humans exist on this Earth or the Earth rotates around the Sun remain facts though we can’t express the same in the language of mathematics.”

    But it’s not a fact Earth rotates around the sun; there is no proof. When scientists finally gave up trying to measure Earth’s absolute motion around the sun, THAT was what led to Relativity: since we can’t prove Earth has absolute movement, let’s say there is NO SUCH THING as absolute movement!

    You’re going down the same road your mortal enemies, the Relativists, went down a century ago.

    The irony.

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    • drgsrinivas  On January 14, 2015 at 10:51 am

      I must admit that I have never explored that subject myself and have only blindly believed in what the scientists preached. But I thought the above ‘fact’ was known to the scientists well before the Relativity came in. But anyway I admit my ignorance on this subject. As I said I haven’t explored it in depth and so I can neither challenge their claim nor do I have an alternative explanation.

      But having seen how scientists could go utterly wrong, may be it is time that we shouldn’t simply believe in ‘science’ but we should re-examine every scientific claim.
      Taking your view point I restate the above as “the scientific belief that earth rotates around the sun can’t be expressed in the language of mathematics”

      Thanks for your feed back.

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  • Galacar  On November 3, 2015 at 3:38 pm

    And then there is Vedic Mathematics!

    (I had to put this in here, it is my hobby. 😉 )

    If you start doing Vedic mathematics you start to understand how extremely stupid , awkard, and retarded,the conventional mathematics is!
    (Just like the rest of ‘modern science’!)

    When you are ‘doing ‘Vedic mathematics’ (VM) you use one or more of the sutra’s and can do sums and ‘difficult’ algebraic equations and more in a few seconds!

    Two simple examples:

    Calculate:

    75 x 75=?

    Well, we use the verse or sutra
    “By one more than the one before”
    (Ekadhikena Purvena)

    Well, the ‘one before’ is of course the ‘7’ and one more is 7+1=8.

    Then the sutra states ‘by’ so we multiply. ( 7 x 8) =56 and we put 25 at the end

    So, 75 x 75=( 7×8) | (25)=5625.

    See how easy it is!

    Another example:

    Calculate:

    998 x 997=

    We use here the sutra “By the Deficiency” (Yaavadunam )

    We write it down as:

    998 -2
    997 -3

    Because 998 is 2 from 1000, and 997 is 3 from 1000.

    We multiply 2 and 3, 2×3=6

    we calculate 998-3, or, 997-2=995 and we are done!

    998-2
    997-3

    995 | (2×3)

    We only have to put two 0’s in and we get:

    998-2
    997-3

    995006

    And we are done!!

    And this is just for starters!

    We can do arithmetic,(squaring, division, multiplying, square roots, cube roots and much more), algebra, calculus, trigonomerty, and so on and so forth:

    For example:

    1/(x+4) + 1/(x+3)=1/(x+2) + 1/(x+5)

    Can be done in 15 seconds or less!

    Try that with ‘conventional mathematics’

    How is that for math!? I think that is how mathematics should be!

    Now, this begs the question. Why isn’t this leaned at school!?
    Were I live the government is complaining about children very, very very bad at
    arithmetic. But they don’t show them Vedic Mathematics!
    That is telling us something I write that here all the time.

    It is all deliberate and by design to dumb us down!

    Another thing is that Vedic Mathematics connect with our right brain.
    Also another thing TPTSB don’t want us to do!

    my two cents.

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    • drgsrinivas  On November 5, 2015 at 9:26 am

      Galacar, thanks for that great introduction to Vedic maths!

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  • charan  On November 4, 2015 at 8:57 pm

    To Galacar,
    Wow!! I as a student, am just feeling like the way you explained so beautifully,thanks!

    Another thing is that Vedic Mathematics connect with our right brain

    I am confident that, there will not be (m)any Mathematicians/Scientists who will accept to this–true– statement of yours.Sad.
    Also,to add,the way in which Calculus was originally developed—which is much more easier than the “conventional” one—is really curious to look into:
    http://ckraju.net/papers/Hawaii.pdf
    But, the greatest of all frauds of Modern Science is,according to my understanding, Medicine; sorry, if I am wrong here.
    Thank You

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  • Galacar  On November 4, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    charan wrote:

    “To Galacar,
    Wow!! I as a student, am just feeling like the way you explained so beautifully,thanks!”

    Thank you so much for your compliment! I really love doing this.
    Once you start doing VM, you start to see a lot of very intelligent connections within this system.
    And it is very elegant and coherent as well. But to really value it you have to experience it,

    “Another thing is that Vedic Mathematics connect with our right brain

    I am confident that, there will not be (m)any Mathematicians/Scientists who will accept to this–true– statement of yours.Sad.”

    No, I know they don’t or won’t. It is their indoctrination.
    If you look into something with your left brain, or your right brain, there is a huge difference, and I believe that
    the right brain is mostly right! But is indeed closed off. Now you understand why there is ‘no money’ for music and art classes. Way too dangerous for the status quo.
    Yes, sad indeed.
    So much to say about this all!

    “Also,to add,the way in which Calculus was originally developed—which is much more easier than the “conventional” one—is really curious to look into:”

    Thank you very much! I will look into this.

    “But, the greatest of all frauds of Modern Science is,according to my understanding, Medicine; sorry, if I am wrong here.
    Thank You”

    But I do agree. However I won’t go to deep into it here, because it is rather off topic.
    But I will say this.
    Please read the book. The Medical Maffia. by Ghislaine Saint-Pierre Lanctot, and you will never look at medicine with the same eyes.
    And medicine has a lot of power into the media, hence you never see any alternatives for healing, but I can tell you there are plenty!
    Btw this week was in the newspaper that they could use 1 drop of blood for diagnosing which cancer.
    But there was a woman in 18 something who did ALL diagnoses with a drop of blood!
    You see, like physics , there is nothing news under the sun.
    And I will say this. how crazy it may sound, but I have found it out to be true.
    ‘modern medicine’ is here to kill us. slowly but surely,

    But don’t believe a word I say, research for yourself.

    I better stop now, otherwise I can go on for hours. I have studied a lot of hidden things for years now.

    “Nothing in this world works the way we think it works, nothing!’

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  • Galacar  On November 28, 2015 at 1:23 pm

    Another good piece about the misuse of mathematics in physics!
    I totally agree with the conclusion in the last part, It sums it all up!

    “Hestenes: Mathematics played an essential role in Einstein’s thinking, but, as
    mathematical physics goes, the mathematics in all his great papers is
    comparatively simple. His forte was in analyzing the physical meaning of the
    mathematics. Indeed, such analysis is generally characteristic of the best work in
    theoretical physics. I have heard the Nobel laureate Richard Feynman, himself a
    true mathematical virtuoso, express this opinion forcefully, asserting that the
    value of a paper on theoretical physics is inversely proportional to the density of
    mathematics in it.

    Me: i.e. Einstein’s style of “mathematically naïve” has inspired physicists to be the same. And such Einstein fans as Hestenes mock “genuine” mathematicians by calling people who inspired by Einstein to write mathematical nonsense as “mathematical virtuosos”.

    The Einstein fans who believe that mathematical nonsense is the way to proceed in physics serve as a block to those trying to tidy up the mess that Einstein left us. Physics is a mess, made a mess by Einstein. But since Einstein is proclaimed a genius these fans then think the mess is how physics should be.”

    SECRETS OF GENIUS : Review of Imagery in Scientific Thought by Arthur I.
    Miller. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press, 1986. DAVID HESTENES
    New Ideas in Psychol, Vol. 8. No.2, pp, 231-246, 1990 0732-118X/9O

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  • Galacar  On September 19, 2017 at 11:50 pm

    In light of the mathematical topic here, may I siggest the follwing book:

    “Weapons of Math Destruction” by Cathy O’Neil

    It shows how math isn’t the ‘pure’ tool as many people think it is.

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