Muon’s time dilation

Before going into the story of cosmic ray muons, have a look at the following link to have a flavour of the stupidity of relativists. http://debunkingrelativity.com/2013/03/24/relativity-mania/

Cosmic ray muons or high energy muons are produced at about 16000 meters above the ground as cosmic radiation from outer space collides with the atoms of the Earth’s atmosphere. Scientists observed that significant numbers of these cosmic ray muons (produced in the upper crust of the Earth’s atmosphere) survive to reach to the ground level. In other words a significant proportion of cosmic muons are able to travel a distance of 16000 meters in their life span.

But scientists from their experiments on laboratory muons, swear that muons live for only about 2 microseconds and travel at a speed of 0.9c. So according to them, a muon can only travel about 600 meters in its life time.  Then how could the cosmic ray muons, produced in the upper crust of the earth’s atmosphere, are able to travel a distance of 16000 meters and reach the ground?

The only possible explanation for this scenario according to the weird relativists is time dilation and length contraction.

But only science maniacs and relativity extremists will swear upon the above ‘facts’ on muon’s life span and speed and propose these highly counterintuitive notions like time dilation. Scientists have only noted the life span and speed of low energy muons produced in particle accelerators. How can the same be considered true for the high energy cosmic ray muons?

In fact, in the light of the above new findings why can’t we propose that muons can travel faster or live longer than what we knew of them?

Imagine that we have seen a Caucasian boy running at 10mts/sec. Obviously he would take 10 seconds to travel 100mts. But the same may not be true for another Caucasian boy. And if we see a different Caucasian boy travelling 100mts in just 8 seconds, we wouldn’t say that the second boy has experienced time dilation and space contraction. Rather we would simply say that the second boy has run faster than the first boy. We know that a body’s speed depends upon various factors, some are known and some are unknown to us. However perfect is our knowledge about a boy and the surroundings; we can’t control all the factors that could affect his speed. Our ignorance and inability is obvious in the macro world.

Then why are we adamant that we know everything about the muon and controlled all the factors which could affect its speed and life span? Relativists propose time dilation as if our knowledge about the life span and the speed of muons is perfect and absolute. Under certain conditions (gravity, energy state, environment etc) why not a muon travel faster or live longer before it decays into the smaller particles.

Muon’s time dilation is only a calculated/predicted effect from the mathematics of relativity and hence can’t be accepted as a proof of relativity. Muon’s time dilation is what we would propose in the given scenario if the theory of relativity is correct. Relativists resort to circular logic here i.e. they believe that relativity is true, so they imagine time dilation as really happening for the muons and then they claim their imagination of time dilation as proof of relativity —- like this they keep going in circles in every scenario that they claim as proof of relativity.

If a Muon travelling at less than ‘C’ (speed of light) could experience time dilation and length contraction, why not a photon travelling at even faster speed experience the same?

Relativists may argue that ‘C’ is the photon’s ‘resting speed’, so for a photon to experience time dilation, it has to travel even faster. But travelling faster than ‘C’ is prohibited by SR (of course not by logic or experiments but by a weird mathematical model that was built upon the ridiculous assumption of constancy of speed of light)

We know that various elementary particles emit photons. For example when an electron jumps from a higher to lower energy orbital, it emits a photon. That means the photon was ‘within and part’ of the electron before its ejection and hence was at rest relative to the electron. So the ‘resting speed’ of the photon, relative to the electron must be considered as zero. So we can’t take it for granted that ‘c’ is the resting speed of light. I know this is encroaching onto the basic foundations of relativity and is too much for the relativists to take in. Of course the concept of ‘resting speed’ itself is rubbish- this is a different issue.

Why not the muons produced in the laboratory experience the same time dilation and length contraction if their speed was same as that of the cosmic ray muons? And if they did, why haven’t we seen the laboratory muons travel the same 16000 meters as their cosmic counter parts? And if they travelled 16000 meters distance in their life span of 2 microseconds, what would be their speed?

So it is just rubbish all the way down, not even tortoises! The tortoise model of the universe is much better than relativity.

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  • Peter McMahon  On November 3, 2013 at 2:20 am

    I am very skeptical of time dilation theory and can show that the effect is an optical illusion, which can be demonstrated for an object travelling at right-angles to the observer using Pythagoras’s Theorem (like throwing a rock at a sign form a speeding vehicle.) If the object is travelling at .8C, & emits a burst of light as it passes, & light travels at 1C relative to it’s source, the sphere of light will expand around the object, & the light emitted at about 53 deg. to the rear will intercept the observer. The horizontal component of it’s motion (.8C) will null out the object’s motion, and the vertical component of the light motion, & the information it carries will be straight down at .6C, which agrees exactly with Einstein’s Equation.
    But you appear to have a couple of your facts wrong. From my research on the net, the distance they travel is about 6000m, not 16000, & take about 20uS, but supposedly live about 10x longer due to their speed.

    • drgsrinivas  On November 3, 2013 at 3:06 pm

      Few things are not clear in your thought experiment- for example, you mentioned that the object is travelling at 0.8C, but with reference to whom and in what direction? But anyway, if the light beam travels at 0.6C ‘vertically’, that destroys the law of constant speed of light and so the witch theory of relativity.

      About the figures, you may refer to http://www.nobelprize.org/educational/physics/relativity/transformations-4.html

      But don’t bother about the figures- the fact that cosmic ray muons reach to the ground can’t be argued as proof of time dilation.
      Time dilation is not an optical illusion but is a delusion of the scientific crowd who hold the superstitious belief of the constant speed of light.

  • d f  On February 3, 2014 at 8:09 am

    —— Muons are produced at a range of altitudes, anywhere from 10k-20k feet i think. But you miss the point of the muon experiment: far more reach the ground than they should using classical mechanics. With classical mechanics, none of them should make it to the ground. Yet, they are seen. But when you apply relativity and time dilation, then the numbers add up. And this is not the only evidence for time dilation- not by a long shot.

    ————– there has NEVER been an experiment that has measured anything travelling faster than the speed of light. NEVER.

    • drgsrinivas  On February 3, 2014 at 6:23 pm

      We don’t need your weird religion to explain the observations on cosmic ray muons.
      As already explained, that can be easily explained if we assume that the cosmic ray muons live longer or travel faster than what you know of them.

      I don’t really think we will find particles travelling faster than light but even if we find one, as is the case with cosmic ray muons, you relativists will resort to the stupid propositions of space contraction or time dilation in that scenario and manage to distort even the most obvious evidence.

      Rest of your comments are not even worth mentioning here.

  • Aaron Do  On March 6, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    Hi,

    there’s a website called alternativephysics.org where the author gives an alternative explanation for the muon time dilation issue. He basically argues that its possible that the muons traveling down to earth are actually traveling much faster than the speed of light (SOL). He was kind enough to email me an explanation.

    He also points out that the reason that experiments never seem to calculate particles moving faster than SOL is because they use the relativity equations in their calculations. Such equations start with the assumption that SOL is the maximum possible speed, and therefore its impossible to get numbers higher than SOL using those equations. Perhaps scientists have actually observed higher than SOL particles several times, but they just didn’t know it…

    • drgsrinivas  On March 9, 2014 at 10:30 pm

      That’s true. The observations on cosmic ray muons can be explained either by assuming that they live longer than what we know of them or by assuming that they travel faster than the ‘SOL’. (http://debunkingrelativity.com/2013/03/24/relativity-mania/)

      Yes, the formulae of relativity are built upon the stupid assumption that light always travels at speed ‘c’ relative to every observer (including the ‘muon observer’ irrespective of its velocity). So the question of muons travelling faster than light doesn’t make sense to the insane relativists. Their weird maths doesn’t simply allow that. But of course, the muons are given the option of experiencing time dilation and space contraction as a consolation! And these magical phenomena allow the muons travel longer distance than light in the ‘same time’. That may make you wonder what the definition of velocity is. The stupidity of relativity is so straightforward but at the same time so difficult to convey, simply because it is so vast.

      Actually I don’t believe that ‘c’ represents the velocity of photons. Basically, whether it is photons or muons or other particles, I don’t buy the idea that particles travel at specific/fixed velocities. In our everyday world, we know that the rate of motion of a particle or body depends upon the sum total of all the forces acting upon it. Depending upon its mass, the energy imparted to it and the environment (Ether/ air/ water etc), the same particle or body may travel slower or faster.
      And the same thing applies to photons and muons. A muon may travel faster than ‘c’. A photon may also travel faster than ‘c’. But if everything else remains the same, it is unlikely that a muon can travel faster than a photon for the simple reason that it is more massive than the photon. (Of course I don’t believe in the scientific superstition that photons are massless particles).

      Also I don’t believe that waves propagate at specific velocities. If you ever have closely observed the water waves or tides in a sea, you would have noticed that all of them don’t travel with the same velocity. The higher the amplitude i.e. height of the tide, the faster it will travel. So the velocity of a wave depends upon its amplitude. I know this is vastly different from what we have recited since our school days and what our great physicists have taught us for centuries. I am sure you will appreciate that once I present my work on wave mechanics. And because the amplitude of a tide decreases as it propagates or gets scattered, its velocity also decreases.

      In the photon Ether model of our universe, I said that our entire universe is permeated by a sea of photons, and there isn’t anything called absolute vacuum. Any object moving though the space must move through this sea of photons and overcome the resistance offered by the Ether medium- so a moving body/ particle is ought to slow down with time in the absence of further energy input. Can you guess the consequence of this? Another great law that we have recited for centuries i.e. the law of inertia of motion falls apart.

      I will be discussing many such issues and exposing many scientific myths in classical physics and wave mechanics in my upcoming articles.

  • 94niners  On June 20, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    There is a bunch of misunderstanding on some of the topics being discussed here. Take THIS for example:

    “But anyway, if the light beam travels at 0.6C ‘vertically’, that destroys the law of constant speed of light and so the witch theory of relativity”

    You and Peter McMahon are failing to take into account the skewing of coordinate systems. In other words, what you are doing is confusing SPACETIME with SPACE. It is a common mistake relativity noobs like yourself make, MR Srinivasa Rao Gonuguntla.

    You too, Peter McMahon. You are confusing SPACE coordinate axes with SPACETIME coordinate axes. Jesus how is it that such an ELEMENTARY mistake is being made here?

    Also, regarding the neutrino experiment that supposedly had them moving faster than light. IT WAS FLAWED, as the peer review processed revealed. They had experimental error they did not account for. Case closed. Try again. Better ruck tomorrow.

    • drgsrinivas  On June 20, 2014 at 11:01 pm

      That’s right, we are confusing the ‘glitters’ on the body of your nude Emperor as that due to the sweat droplets, while your deluded ‘intelligent’ minds are able to ‘correctly’ imagine them as glitters embedded into his invisible magical costume!

      Dear ‘wise man’, nobody here is clinging to your experimental errors or swearing by your pastors’ FTL neutrino delusion. We don’t even believe in what your pastors swear as ‘correct experiment’, why do we bother about the errors which they have committed and also confessed about the same.
      (I know why your pastors have ‘confessed’ that ‘flaw’ — if they didn’t, that would screw up their own ‘goddess’ theory)

  • Marlin Pierce  On July 15, 2014 at 3:26 am

    Regarding your comment “Basically, whether it is photons or muons or other particles, I don’t buy the idea that particles travel at specific/fixed velocities. In our everyday world, we know that the rate of motion of a particle or body depends upon the sum total of all the forces acting upon it.”

    The Michelson-Morley experiment failed to detect differences in the speed of light when they expected different forces were acting upon the light. They expected the difference to be due to Fresnel drag of luminiferous aether. However, the experiment demonstrated a constant speed of light irrespective of the different velocities of the observer.

    Einstein demonstrated through conjecture that if the speed of light is the same for all observers, and the speed of light is not additive to the velocity where the light originated, then a bunch of ridiculously unintuitive consequences follow, including time dilation, length contraction, and an increase in mass. As velocity approaches the speed of light, mass approaches infinity, and thus requires increasing amounts of force to accelerate, making it impossible to accelerate to the speed of light.

  • marlinpierce  On July 15, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    Scientists do not claim “muons live for only about 2 microseconds and travel at a speed of 0.9c”.

    Muons have a half-life of 1.5 microseconds. So out of every million muons, after 1.5 µs only half a million would remain, and after 150 µs, there might still be one muon.

    I did not find any information that muons always travel at 0.9c, only that cosmic ray muons travel about this speed (0.98c). I would not assume that laboratory muons move at close to the speed of light. Hence, the difference between laboratory and cosmic ray muons, not that they are a different type, but I would interpret the information that I have that the difference is laboratory observations were closer to rest than relativistic speed.

    This does not change your argument. Some editing to correct this information, and your argument is mostly the same.

    • drgsrinivas  On July 16, 2014 at 5:18 pm

      I agree with you, it was actually the half life of muons and not their exact life span that the scientists had measured. But to convey the gist to the ‘ordinary’ scientific minds, I have intentionally mentioned that as life span.
      As you have correctly mentioned, whether we take that as muons life span or half life, the argument remains the same. (Of course despite the simplification, many ‘scientific’ minds fail to realise the stupidity of the relativity religion and they continue to religiously swear by what their pastors preach).

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